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Catalytic Converter Diagnosis

July 01, 2008
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The catalytic converter is probably the most important emission control device on a vehicle because it cleans up the pollutants in the exhaust. Thanks to fuel injection, oxygen sensors in the exhaust manifolds, and a feedback fuel control system, emissions are kept to a minimum. Even so, some pollution is still produced and must be eliminated by the converter. So the converter must be in good condition and working correctly to keep tailpipe emissions to an absolute minimum. And if there’s a problem? Then your customer’s vehicle will probably need a new converter.

Converter problems typically fall into one of five categories:

1. Plugged converter (partially or completely);

2. Dead converter;

3. Marginal converter (still working, but efficiency is down);

4. Damaged converter (rust or physical damage); or

5. Missing converter (somebody stole it!).

PLUGGED CONVERTER
A partially plugged converter will create a restriction in the exhaust system. This, in turn, will cause an increase in exhaust backpressure that can strangle engine performance, particularly at highway speeds. The engine may start and idle normally, but lack high speed power. Fuel economy may also be down.

At first, you may suspect low fuel pressure or a plugged fuel filter (which can cause similar symptoms). A simple fuel pressure check with a gauge will tell you if idle pressure is within specifications, and a flow test will tell you if the fuel pump is capable of delivering enough fuel volume to meet the engine’s demands. You may also replace the fuel filter in an effort to cure your customer’s problem. But when the problem persists, it’s obviously not fuel-related. More likely, it’s an exhaust restriction.

An exhaust restriction created by a partially plugged converter can also backup heat in the engine, causing the engine to run hot and possibly overheat. If this is the case, you may suspect a cooling system problem. A low coolant level, coolant leak (internal or external), stuck thermostat, defective cooling fan, clogged radiator, kinked radiator hose or bad water pump can all make an engine run hot and overheat. So if you’ve checked all of these things and found no problem, you may be scratching your head wondering what’s going on?

The fact is, many technicians don’t consider the converter as a possible cause of engine performance problems or overheating until they’ve exhausted all the other possibilities. So maybe a better diagnostic approach would be to check the converter first when an engine is exhibiting symptoms that may be due to a converter restriction.

One of the quickest and easiest tests to perform is to check intake vacuum with a vacuum gauge. Find a place to connect a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold, and start the engine. Intake vacuum should usually be 18 to 22 inches of mercury (Hg) and remain steady at idle. If the vacuum reading is low and continues to drop, the converter may be causing a restriction.

Next, increase engine speed to 2,500 rpm and hold steady. The vacuum gauge needle will drop when you first open the throttle, then stabilize. But if the vacuum reading remains low or continues to drop, backpressure is building up in the exhaust system.

Disconnect the converter and recheck the intake vacuum reading. If the reading goes back to normal, you’ve identified an exhaust restriction that needs further diagnosis before you condemn the converter. Though a plugged converter would be the most likely cause of the restriction, it’s also possible the exhaust system may have a collapsed or pinched exhaust pipe, or the muffler may be clogged.

An alternative to measuring intake vacuum is to measure exhaust backpressure. It’s a much more difficult check to make because you have to find a place in the exhaust system to attach a gauge. If the engine has air injection, you can disconnect the check valve from the distribution manifold to hook up a gauge. Or, if you really want to make a lot of extra work for yourself, you can remove the oxygen sensor and take your reading at its hole in the manifold or headpipe. Refer to the backpressure specs for the application. Generally speaking, more than 1 psi of backpressure at idle, or more than 4 psi of backpressure with snap acceleration of the throttle is too much and indicates an exhaust restriction.

If the converter is completely plugged, it should be a no-brainer to diagnose. The engine will start, run for maybe a minute or so, then stall as exhaust backpressure builds up and strangles the flow of exhaust out of the engine.

If you suspect the converter is plugged, disconnect the converter and hold a trouble light up to one end. Then look in the other end. If you can’t see through the honeycomb, the converter is obstructed and needs to be replaced.

But before you replace the converter, keep in mind the possible reasons for it failing in the first place. Converter restrictions are often caused by severe overheating that damages the honeycomb. The underlying cause may be an overly rich fuel mixture or engine misfire (bad spark plug, plug wire or leaky exhaust valve). Any such problems should be diagnosed and repaired before you replace the converter, otherwise the new unit may suffer the same fate.

DEAD OR MARGINAL CONVERTER
Late model converters are engineered to go well beyond 100,000 miles of normal driving. On many cars and trucks, the converter may go the distance and outlast the vehicle itself. But sometimes converters can be contaminated and die a premature death.

Converters can be fouled by contaminants such as lead from leaded gasoline, phosphorus and zinc from burning oil, or silicone (from coolant that gets into a combustion chamber through a leaky head gasket or cracked cylinder head, or from using the wrong type of RTV silicone sealer as an engine sealer). Newer motor oils have reduced levels of phosphates and zinc to prolong the life of the converter. Long-life OAT-based “orange” coolants, such as Dex-Cool, have also eliminated silicate corrosion inhibitors for the same reason (though silicates are still used in many other OAT-based coolants).

If the platinum, palladium and rhodium catalysts inside the converter become coated with any of these other elements, it can prevent them from triggering the chemical reactions that are necessary to clean up the exhaust. The efficiency of the catalyst drops way down or ceases altogether, causing an increase in emissions out the tailpipe. Since there is no way to rejuvenate a contaminated converter, replacement is the only repair option.

How can you tell if a converter has stopped working? Unless it is plugged and causing a restriction, there are no obvious symptoms a driver would notice. Fuel economy and engine performance are unaffected. The only way to tell is to use an exhaust analyzer to check the gases coming out the tailpipe — and that only happens if the vehicle is required to take an emissions test.

A dead converter will typically cause higher than normal hydrocarbon (HC) and carbon monoxide (CO) readings, which may cause the vehicle to fail the emissions test if these pollutants are above the legal limits.

The most obvious indicator of a bad converter (and usually the most accurate), however, is a Check Engine Light accompanied by a converter-related code, such as P0420 or P0430.

Since 1996, vehicles equipped with Onboard Diagnostic II (OBD II) have incorporated a “catalyst monitor” to keep an eye on how efficiently the converter is working. The catalyst monitor compares the signal from a “downstream” O2 sensor in or behind the converter to that from the upstream O2 sensor(s). The O2 sensors react to oxygen levels in the exhaust. If the converter is working at high efficiency, the downstream O2 sensor signal will be almost flat and show very little switching activity compared to the upstream O2 sensor(s). But if the converter is contaminated and is doing little or nothing to clean up the exhaust, the activity of the downstream O2 sensor will mirror that of the upstream O2 sensor(s).

The threshold at which the OBD II system will set a catalyst fault code will vary according to the year, make and model of the vehicle, and the emission levels to which that vehicle was originally certified. But as a rule, a drop in catalyst efficiency of 10% or more will usually set a fault code and turn on the Check Engine Light.

Since a vehicle can’t pass a plug-in OBD II emissions test with an illuminated Check Engine Light, you can take one of two courses of action: you can replace the converter now, or you can clear the code, tell your customer to drive the vehicle for a few days to see if the light comes back on (which it likely will), and then replace the converter when he comes back the second time.

The catalyst monitor can take awhile to set, and typically requires driving the vehicle at various speeds including 15 to 20 minutes of highway driving. It may take several days before the monitor runs and sets a code, but sooner or later it will set a code if the converter is bad.

But there is an exception. If the vehicle has a bad upstream or downstream O2 sensor, and the OBD II system has detected it and set a code, it will prevent the catalyst monitor from running. The oxygen sensor problem, therefore, must be fixed before you can verify whether or not the converter is working properly.

Converter efficiency can also be checked with an infrared exhaust analyzer. But many shops don’t have an exhaust analyzer, and chances are if the OBD II system says the converter is not working up to par, it probably is not.

You can also look at the reaction of the upstream and downstream O2 sensors on a digital storage oscilloscope to make sure the O2 sensors are working normally. But as long as there are no O2 sensor issues and the system is setting a catalyst code, you have to assume the catalyst is contaminated and is not working at normal efficiency. Remember, the converter first has to pass the OBD II catalyst monitor self-test before it can be allowed to take a plug-in OBD II emissions test. If the catalyst monitor won’t run, or the converter fails the test, the car won’t pass.

CHECK ENGINE LIGHT BACK ON AGAIN
So what happens if you replace the converter, the catalyst monitor runs and resets the same code again? Now you have a real problem. It’s unlikely a new replacement converter would be defective out of the box. But we have heard of instances of “reconditioned” converters not performing as advertised.

Assuming you replaced the old converter with a brand new one, a low converter efficiency fault code that reappears would most likely be due to a lazy upstream O2 sensor.

When the front O2 sensor is slow to respond to changes in the air/fuel mixture, the fuel feedback control loop may not be changing the fuel mixture back and forth from rich to lean often enough to provide enough extra oxygen in the exhaust for the converter to burn up all of the pollutants. This causes a drop in converter efficiency, which the OBD II system blames on the converter.

The fix, of course, is not to replace the converter a second time, but to replace the lazy upstream O2 sensor(s). The hard part is explaining all of this to your customer who just paid you several hundred dollars for a new converter he didn’t really need!

CONVERTER DAMAGE
Another reason for replacing a converter is if the shell has rusted through and blown out, or the converter has been physically damaged by running over something.

The converter is surrounded by a heat shield that keeps heat away from the underside of the car. Over time, rust and vibration may crack the heat shield causing it to come loose or fall off. Loose heat shields are a common cause of exhaust rattle and noise. The shield can often be repaired or replaced. But if the converter shell has rusted though, the whole converter must be replaced.

The catalytic converter is covered by an OEM 8-year, 80,000-mile emissions warranty. California vehicles have a 10-year, 100,000-mile warranty, and California vehicles with a “PZEV” classification have a 150,000 mile OEM converter warranty. If a converter needs to be replaced during the covered warranty period, the need to do so must be confirmed and documented by an emissions test failure. A new car dealer should replace the converter at no cost if it is still under warranty.

MISSING CONVERTER
A new kind of converter problem that has emerged recently in response to soaring metal prices is the vanishing converter. The motorist starts his car or truck in the morning and is greeted with a loud exhaust roar. When he peers underneath, he sees his exhaust pipes have been sawed off and his converter has disappeared. Vehicles most vulnerable to this kind of theft are those with a lot of ground clearance like four-wheel drive pickup trucks and SUVs.

Thieves are stealing converters because scrap dealers are paying $50 to $100 or more for the platinum, palladium and rhodium catalysts inside the converter. To counter this kind of theft, a growing number of states are now requiring scrap dealers to take down names and driver license numbers of persons selling used converters.

If a converter has been stolen, it must be replaced with another converter (same type and same location as the original). It is illegal to replace a missing converter with a straight pipe.

Submit a Comment   Comments (34)
Comment by:
Larry Carley
8/31/2010
12:11 PM
For Michelle: The idle surge problem is probably unrelated to the converter. Your throttle may need cleaning. As for the Check Engine light, there are hundreds of possibilities. No way to know until somebody pulls the code(s) with a scan tool. As for the converter leak, get it fixed. You may not hurt your engine but you may hurt yourself if carbon monoxide leaks into the passenger compartment.
Comment by:
Michelle
8/30/2010
3:06 PM
... Also, my RPM's in park/stop are 800, but when my car surges/jerks, the RPM's drop slightly (750-700), then go back to 800 RPM.
Comment by:
Michelle
8/30/2010
3:04 PM
I have a 2000 VW Jetta 2.0L & I may have a small leak in my cat-converter (mechanic tells me so, plus there's a slight exhaust odour). When the car is hot & I'm stopped or in park my car surges/jerks (lightly). A few days ago my check engine light came on temporarily (4-5 hrs), but has remained off since. Could this be caused by the cat-converter too? Will I damage my car if I don’t replace the cat-converter? Thank you.
Comment by:
Larry Carley
8/22/2010
3:51 PM
for Eric: If you had a bad cat, it would cause an exhaust restriction all the time. The problem could be something as simple as a leaky fuel pressure regulator or weak fuel pump, or it might be something in the engine control system (a bad sensor or PCM).
Comment by:
Eric
8/21/2010
4:08 PM
I have a 1984 GMC pickup. I notice it bogging down and losing power (in every gear) when it gets up to temperature. The problem, however, is intermittent. It might happen every day, or it might not happen. Of course any time i take it to my mechanic, it seems to run just fine so it has been hard to diagnose. If the cat is bad could the power loss come and go like this, or would it happen every time i drive it?



Thanks!
Comment by:
Larry Carley
8/4/2010
2:23 PM
For Dina: The converter warranty is 8/80 which ever comes first, so you are just over the 80,000 mile limit even though the car is only 6 years old. I would hope Mitsubishi would cover the cost of replacing your converter, or ast least split the cost with you, but don't hold your breath.
Comment by:
Dina
8/3/2010
8:33 PM
I have a 2004 galant that needs two catalytic converters. The car has a little over 82000 miles on it does it fall into the warranty guidelines due to the face it is only 6 years old?
Comment by:
Woody
7/18/2010
10:39 PM
I have a 2001 Buick Lesabre with 93,000 miles. Car rattles when first started, but does not do so when the car is warm. Noise sounds as if it is coming from under front seat are. One mechanic suggested a bad catalityc converter - any ideas?
Comment by:
Gina
7/1/2010
7:29 PM
I have a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder 2WD with 90K miles. Check Engine light came on, also smell "burning rubber" although thermostat says car is nice and cool. Bought the 100K warranty at time of purchase. Dealer says I need 2 new converters, cost of $2,400. Says if I continue to drive without making the repairs I will kill the engine, which will cost me $7,700. Of course catalytic converters not covered under extended warranty! Muffler shop says failed converter extremely rare on a 6 year old car and I passed smog 2 mos ago. Friends tell me to just keep driving on it until I'm up for smog again in 2 yrs. No after market part available for such a "new" car. Don't know what to do!!! Oh forgot to mention - CA law says car manufacturer must replace converter if it fails up to 8 yrs or 80K miles. So of course that doesn't help me either!
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, BRAKE & FRONT END
6/17/2010
10:24 AM
Cindy, sorry but the emissions warranty for a 2001 Ford vehicles is 80,000 miles/8 years. No TSBs or recalls were issues for this vehicle concerning the catalytic converters. Chances are operating conditions or maintenance issues caused the failure.
Comment by:
Larry Carley
6/17/2010
10:06 AM
For Rebecca: It's anybody's guess as to what might be causing your car problem. The only way to find out is to take your car to a repair shop to get a diagnosis. The shop should be able to give you a written estimate as to what needs fixing and how much it will cost.
Comment by:
cindy sorrell
6/17/2010
10:04 AM
my son has a 2001 Cougar that the dealership is saying the 3 coverters are defective...the car has 72,000 miles and no check engine light ever came on...the car just went from 60 to 25 in a matter of seconds on the interstate...could this be a manufacturer's problem?
Comment by:
Rebecca
6/16/2010
5:46 PM
also, after about a minute after it first started my service engine soon light blinked on and off for a while, stopped, started again, stopped, then when it came back on the third time it was just solid. no blinking.
Comment by:
Rebecca
6/16/2010
5:44 PM
I have a hand-me-down 2002 nissan altima from my mom. It's got about 141000 miles on it. ...the car's name is Sadie. After I drive her around a bit, Sadie gets pissed. She starts with these little tiny jerks when accelerating, stops the little jerks when slowing, then starts them again when idling at a stop light. A friend says it's most likly an Oxygen sensor. If so, would I most likely have a converter issue as well? and how much does all of this cost me in parts?
Comment by:
Larry Carley
5/30/2010
11:15 PM
For Mark: If you vehicle is 1995 or newer with OBD II, and you do not replace the missing cat and rear O2 sensor, the Check Engine light will remain on and your vehicle will be emissions illegal and not pass an emissions test. With no cat, emissions will be higher, but it should not hurt fuel economy or performance. My advice is to get it fixed correctly.
Comment by:
mark
5/30/2010
6:47 PM
My son's catylic converter was stolen. I was wondering if I can put a straight pipe instead of the converter or will any problems be caused by not having the converter and the oxygen sensor reinstalled. Thanks, Mark
Comment by:
Kevin
5/26/2010
6:46 PM
So I know the advice was to take it into the shop however, I have replaced a broken plastic tube, probably vacuum, and the car is running fine. The check engine light is off however it sounds like air is trying to escape from the area where the two exhaust manifolds merge rather than completely out the back end. The car doesn't like to be accelerated real fast but otherwise runs fine. Thank you all for your advice.



Any Ideas?
Comment by:
Larry Carley
5/20/2010
6:05 PM
For Kevin: Sounds like an intake manifold gasket or vacuum line leak is leaning out your fuel mixture, causing the random misfire. I would still take it to a shop to get a professional diagnosis.

Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, BRAKE & FRONT END
5/20/2010
4:28 PM
Kevin, I would would take it to a shop and pay for an hour or two of "diagnostic time". I am willing to bet it will be cheaper than the next part you plan to install. Ask the shop if they can perform "flash reprogramming" this might be required to fix the EGR problem (checked TSBs). The plugs have nothing to do with your problem.
Comment by:
Kevin
5/20/2010
4:19 PM
I have a 2001 Chevy Impala 3800 series II with many problems I can't figure out. I originally had cylinder 1 and 4 misfiring and a scanner code of egr circuit perf low input. I have replaced the catalytic converter, ignition coil pack for cylinders 1 and 4, the egr valve, the car has new plugs and wires (less than two years), and now the scanner is reading random misfire, egr ckt range perf.



Anyone have any ideas on what I can troubleshoot, replace next? My car runs pretty smooth except for when I really step on the gas, then it wants to bog out. If anyone has info, I would really appreciate it.



I had also heard rumor that bosch platinum 4's are terrible to use for chevys due to an oil coating that can come about hindering spark. If anyone knows of this problem, please let me know. Thank you!!
Comment by:
donnie
5/6/2010
2:24 PM
will a bad converter cause the O2 sensor to go bad as well?
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, Brake & Front End
4/13/2010
2:06 PM
Nick- It could be a hole in the converter, EGR valve, EGR valve pipe, muffler, exhaust manifold, exhaust manifold joint, exhaust downpipe, headgasket, motor mount or a number of other parts. Take it to a shop so they can look it on a lift and give you an estimate.
Comment by:
Nick
4/13/2010
1:54 PM
I have recently noticed significant exhaust noise from the front of my 2001 Chevy impala (3.4 L). It sounds almost as if there could be a hole in the exhaust, as the noise gts louder when I accelerate, then quiets when I let off the gas. I am fro ND, could there be a hole in my converter causing this noise?
Comment by:
Larry Carley
1/29/2010
3:07 PM
To know what's wrong with your car, you need the actual fault code numbers that are displayed on a scan tool. Then you can go to a webstie such as www.trouble-codes.com and look up the code definitions yourself to see what the problem might be. Many auto parts stores (Autozone & Advance Auto to name two) can plug in a scan tool and give you a free readout of any codes that are present. Futher diagnosis by a competent repair shop, however, will likely be needed to identify the parts that have to be replaced.
Comment by:
Delores
1/29/2010
11:57 AM
I have a 1999 volvo s80. I had the check engine light diagnosed. They told me the catalytic converter is over threshold. However, I had it checked before and was told it's the camshaft and O2 sensors. How do I know what is really wrong with the car?
Comment by:
Larry Carley
1/18/2010
9:09 AM
For Foster: It sounds like you may have a pluged converter. Better have it checked to see if needs to be replaced.
Comment by:
foster
1/18/2010
8:06 AM
i have a Golf 4 2.0l, my idling is so bad now it feels like the catalyc converter has some tins inside.my car is no longer powerful
Comment by:
Larry Carley
10/28/2009
9:39 AM
For Diana: If your head gasket was leaking coolant, the coolant could have contaminated your converter. The coolant would also foul the spark plugs, causing the misfiring and rough idle.
Comment by:
diana
10/27/2009
5:41 PM
I bought a honda civic lx about 4 months ago its a 1990 I have had problems every since it was idling rough and wanting to stall but never actually did stall. We replaced the catalitic converter and it was fine for awhile then started over heating it all points to blown head gasket the thermistat was checked and okay. what do I do?I am wondering if the gasket caused the caty to go out and I was never aware a gasket was blown?
Comment by:
Robert Pratt
6/22/2009
5:25 PM
I recently bought a used 02 nissan altima. 1 month later i had problems starting the vehicle and took it in. turns out I had a bad catalytic converter. So I paid for the new part and back to driving my car again. 4 or 5 months later, i notice my car is not driving so smooth and sometimes it hesitates on the road when i accelerate. Also the check engine light would come and go randomly, not to mention now i was having a hard time just getting the car to start. This problem persisted for a couple weeks unforntunatly i couldn't take my car in due to working so many days. And while driving i notice the temp was idling alot. Eventually I took it in and the mechanic says the cat is defective, then later states the head gasket is cracked. They are saying its my fault for putting water into the coolant system which I never did. Could the head gasket be damaged in result of them installing a defective catalytic converter?
Comment by:
Keisha
5/26/2009
7:23 PM
My truck is an Nissan Armada and the check engine light just recently came on. The sensor has been changed, so how I kno which converter to relace andcan I get one from the junk yard?
Comment by:
Chris
4/22/2009
9:00 PM
I have a 2000 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner (2.4l) regular cab. I just paid $1500 for a valve job, $300 for a new front cat, and $250 for a new rear cat. I say new but they were actually used but "refurbished" parts. Check engine light is back on and the code is a P0420 cat below threshold code. Is this a faulty refurbished cat or an O2?
Comment by:
Larry Carley, Technical Editor
4/17/2009
10:43 AM
I doubt the clicking from your dash is related to your catalytic converter or other driveability symptoms. A clicking noise usually indicates an electrical relay is cycling on and off. It might be a relay in the HVAC system circuit, interior light circuit, or related to the power locks or even the radio. Your technician should check this out, too.
Comment by:
dan
4/17/2009
10:12 AM
my car is experiencing many of the symptoms you describe. My mechanic is now doing a process of eliminating check. I have had this very annoying clicking noise coming from my dash board. Is this related to a bad converter?
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